Bart
Welcome to the More Life Podcast where creative problem solvers and entrepreneurs talk about squeezing more out and finding meaning in this crazy thing we call life. Let's dive in. Welcome back, guys, to another episode of the More Life podcast.

Bart
I'm here with Dave Shrein, founder of the Block's Agency and of Campaign Donut. My business coach and mentor Dave say, what's up to the people? Welcome to the show, my friend.

Dave
Thank you so much, my friend. It is good to be here. It's long overdue and I will do just that one up to the people. I say give the people what they want and what they want is more life.

Bart
Awesome. This is gonna be so good because, you know what, when it comes to what this show is about, I love your attitude towards it and just looking towards how do we succeed in our life and how do we succeed holistically in terms of like what is success and what does that mean for us and how hard the people push in on it. I feel like you strike such a good balance between that. And that's why you kind of inspired me and a lot of ways, not just in business wise, but it really in life wise, because you you just started recently, you know, sharing more about your your marriage on social media, which I love, because you're already a funny person. So you add Sandra to the mix that everything's, you know, getting even more interesting.

Dave
She's a riot.

Bart
So Dave, I want to start off by letting people hear a little bit about you, who you are, where you come from, maybe talk a little bit about both of your businesses or or Shrein enterprises as it would be. Let them know man.

Dave
We're going to call it the Shrein Media Network from here on out. Yeah. If you had asked me 10 years ago, would you be doing a more live podcast with Bart Anestin talking about what it is to be an entrepreneur, I might have said maybe because if you've got that entrepreneurial creative streak inside of you, you really can't suppress that. You can't hold it back like it's there. And if you don't feed it, it's going to cripple you. And so I might have said maybe, but if you had told me the way that I would have found myself to where I am today, that is running the Block's agency of e-commerce marketing agency, getting ready to release. As of right now, we haven't released it. We're getting ready to go into trial users, but getting ready to release a software application like a true SAS. How I got to that point, I would have said, you know, that that that seems highly unlikely. My story is in high school, I hated school. I couldn't take it. I wanted to get out of school as fast as I could. And I don't mean this in an arrogant or egotistical way, but school wasn't for me. And that being the case, I always felt the thing holding me back was school was the system of school. As soon as I got out of school, I could finally get on with my life. And that turned out to be the case. I had planned to go to college. I didn't want to. That's what you do, right?

Bart
That's what you do.

Dave
That's the next logical step. And and so as I was preparing for that, me being being a Christian, seeking Christ in the way I choose to live my life and the choices I make, I felt for other people who who are spiritual, even trust Jesus, that you'll understand what I'm saying. If you're not spiritual or you haven't had a spiritual experience, it might be a little bit difficult. But for me, I sensed God telling me, do not go to college. That is not the plan that I have for you. And so I listened. I obeyed. And what I wound up doing was I wound up interning at my church for several years, learning, growing, discovering what it is to what it was to actually work with adults. Right. Like people who have furniture that wasn't bought at IKEA. And that was the first several years of life out of high school. I got to try my hand at a lot of different things. And the longer I spent in nonprofit work, particularly in the church, the more I realized that, hey, this technology and the Internet was kind of coming into its own Internet 2.0, Web 2.0. This kind of comes easy to me. And so I moved from one church where I was the music minister doing website stuff to another church where I became the website guy, doing some music stuff here, there. And what I quickly learned was that I had a deep passion for communication and for the written word in particular, because as a musician, you can influence people. But unless you really get widely distributed, your influence really ends with whoever you see at a live event or on a church Sunday service writing that goes on the Internet and and with words. That's something everybody can resonate and understand with. And I realized my influence as a musician was like this. Well my influence as a writer was really endless.

Bart
Wow.

Dave
So I started leaning more into marketing, we call it communication in the nonprofit world because marketing is evil. I started to lean into more marketing strategies and I discovered that I really loved helping people do the right thing for them at the right time, for the right reasons. Then you fast forward. I leave the church. I still go to church, but I leave working at the church. I launched Shrein Media, which is now the Block's Agency. And six years later, we have a small team of three or four part timers. At the time of this recording, three or four full timers or something like that. I always count several contractors we love working with and getting ready to launch our first software application. And all of that has happened while raising the families. So Sandra and I have been married for 14 years. We have three little boys, Isaiah, who was born in twenty twelve, Isaac, who was born in twenty fourteen, and little Stevie, who was born in twenty seventeen. So that's that's my story. I'm a dude with depression, so I like to talk about that. I love baseball cards, I love sports and really I just love seeing other people succeed. That's more than you wanted. But what. Give the people what they want. They wanted to know why they

Bart
I got to tell the people that they need to stop or pause this recording and get a pencil or a pen, because Dave is that guy where he's just going to lay it out and he's the wealth of knowledge and what that does, if he doesn't even know how good the stuff he's saying is. I mean, because you're used to it, that's just the way your brain works. So what happens oftentimes when I'm around you, I'm like, even though we were talking about that, you said something in passing and it's like, oh, I should probably write that. I should implement that inside my life because it's so meaningful, because I feel like you are a step further ahead than me, but you're so gracious with your time. So we're going to jump right into it. We're not going to waste any of it in terms of balancing life and passion. So, you know, this a lot of people, because they know me as an agency owner, as a designer, they assume this show is about that. And really, I feel like we need to help young people who maybe want to get into this industry because it's one of those cool, elusive jobs. What does it actually mean? What does it mean to be a tick talker? What does it mean to be a digital content creator? What does it mean to be a media manager? I want to break it down for people and say listen, there's a lot of work that goes into it. But you also have to gear your brain in a certain way to see some of the things that may start off small and become big. And the taking something from I always this, zero to one, it's much harder than one to one hundred. And how do people get from that zero to one and birthing something while still trying to be true to who they are? Maybe they're an artist, maybe they are a steel worker. Doesn't matter what they are. Maybe they have an idea. How does, what is the genesis of an idea for you and then how do you break down whether it's good or if it needs to be thrown in the trash?

Dave
Ya there's a there's a lot of different ways we could talk about this type of a question, and I think the way that I would like to approach it is first and foremost, we're all a work in progress. And so the things that we value, the things that that we want our life to count for, they're going to change over the course of time, especially with major life changes. Right. You go from not being married to married. That's a big life change. And so your values and your priorities and your the results that you're shooting for, that changes. Then all of a sudden you go from working a day job to getting a career job. That's a big change. You go from hourly to salary salary. You go from being just a couple to having like these very these very large life changes

Bart
having dependents.

Dave
Yeah. And they completely realign what it is we're passionate about or at least realign how we work out our passions. And so what I would say is if we're taking this idea of how do we go from where we're at right now to where we want to be, whether it's I'm starting in school and I want to graduate to get this type of job or whether it's I have an idea and I want to bring it to fruition or whether it's I want to grow in this type of area in my life so that I can become this. I would say the big thing that comes back to me is what are you ultimately trying to do in the lives of other people and what is the impact that you're trying to have? So you said, you know, maybe an artist. Well, let's just take an artist, for example. Why do you as an artist want to create and if the reason for why you want to create is because I want to create art. I would challenge you that that's not a big enough reason. You're thinking very small because the truth is there's something inside of you that compels you to create art to see some sort of a result or effect happen in or on the world or the worlds of people who are around you. So to say I create art because I want to create art, it's kind of like this circular reasoning. But to say I create art in order to help people who have lived in one place their whole life see life from a complete opposite end of the spectrum and respect someone who's different from now. That's a value that I can get behind. So when we're looking at ideas, you know, just for our business or when I'm looking at what I want to do in my personal life, what's the end goal? And now we've gone from art as a profession. I'm going to take you to something that's a hobby for me right now. And it's very timely. I've always loved collecting cards. I've always loved sports cards, trading cards, NBA basketball, football. I've always loved sports. But

Bart
I use to have a hockey card collection

Dave
you used to have a? well, that's right, because you're north of the border up there eh?

Bart
eh?

Dave
That's right.

Dave
I got a couple I got a Wayne Gretzky sitting on top of my eight hundred card count cardboard box. I will take a picture of it. I will send it to you. Then I'll send the card to you straight up. We'll get it across the border. But I always collect these cards. But I'd taken a break for a long period of time. What did I discover about six months ago? My brother Stephen, who's six years younger than me for actually four years younger than me, he's been collecting cards for the previous year. I didn't know this, and so all of a sudden I went from I like to collect cards because I like having cards or I like to collect cards because they're fun to have to I like to collect cards because I want to connect with my younger brother, Steven, and we have connected. So what is the value? What is the driving force behind what it is you want to do? And does that make the world a better place for other people? And I believe that an artist who wants to help other people see the world from a different perspective, I believe that makes the world a better place. A brother who wants to connect with his younger brother, I believe that makes the world a better place. So there you go. That's just the thoughts off the top of my head.

Bart
No worries. And I was just on a call yesterday with, like with a entrepreneurs group, local kids out of high school, maybe college. And I felt like I was answering the question kind of the way you were answering very existentially, because when you're young and you're starting, you think it's so simple or direct direct line. Well, I want to be an artist so that I can get notoriety or because I want to or because it's something I'm good at. And then what ends up happening is as you get older or as you have more experience in life, those type of things become more existential, bigger, larger picture questions as to what will make me happy. What what type of thing do I want to invest my time in? Why? And the real reason when it's being reduced down do I actually want to do this. And where can this take me? Can I make a living off of this? Can I be happy doing this? It's bigger questions that that come into the mix and that that kind of is leading into even the of the the headspace of people being happy. I think we do a big disservice in our life, in our school systems here. We don't talk about, you know, money really well. We don't talk about actually what the science of being happy is. What's how do you satisfy yourself professionally or or meaningfully with your own personal self? And people often chase what we have decided is the standard of what success is. You know, we have we look to Celebritism. We look to movie stars. We look to sports athletes. We looked, if you were to type into iStock, you know, what is success or success for photos? It would probably put a a white male in a business suit, somebody's arm race who's at the top of a mountain top. Meanwhile, you've got somebody who is very much, you know, struggling, who who has all these things. Maybe they have a really good job, but a really nice car. But they're not happy. And it's like, why did the thing that everyone told me to do? And I don't feel like I'm fulfilled. So it's like we're talking about two sides of the same coin. On the one side, it's like I want to do something really cool, you know, who am I? What am I doing this for? And on the other side and am I chasing the wrong thing, if there's something that's actually going to produce results or is this something that's going to actually be more vain that it is meaningful to me in my mind, in my life, rather. And I want to talk even more about like clearing your head to find these type of to answer some of these questions, like I'm a big, big fan of routine in my personal life so that I can get some stuff done. It took me like a decade to of failing miserably until realizing that I should probably put some structure about how I find the clarity to get some stuff going.

Dave
Yes.

Bart
But at the same time, it's like it takes so much work and self-discipline to realize, OK, if I want to get to where I'm going, I can't keep doing what I used to do because I'm not I'm not satisfied doing that. I have to change something and provide a structure for my creativity. And this is where I want to ask you in your realm, because we have this I don't know, it would almost be like creativity versus marketing. People consider marketing as still very like sly, smart, slick, tech savvy. And creativity is very artsy and and very fluid and pretty. And I think in today's world, those things are closer than what we believe them to be. I think creativity and marketing are problem solving. And how does someone who is a creative find a way to solve problems on a regular basis what do you think about that?

Dave
Yeah. So I want to go back to just I want to wrap something up from what we were previously talking about. So if there are folks out there who are trying to find some direction in their life, one of the things that I really would have benefited from hearing ten years ago, 15 years ago is that it is OK to change and it is OK to shift, but when you choose a direction, you have to pursue that direction sharply and narrowly. One hundred percent. Because if you go I mean, it's just the statement. If you go a mile wide and an inch deep, you're not really going to discover what you're truly capable of because you're just scratching the surface on a lot of little things. Go as deep as you can on one specific thing, but then realize that it is OK to change if you decide that that is not bringing the same level of fulfillment that you have seen other people who are doing the same thing, experience or that you would envision for yourself now stepping forward into what you had been recently talking about with this idea of success being a moving target, it is indeed a moving target. And as you're looking at making changes or not making changes, but making directional decisions for how your life is going to evolve, be it what you want your career to look like, what you want your family to look like, what you what you believe will bring you joy. Albeit all those things are not going to turn out the way that you thought they were. I haven't met anyone yet that says, yeah, it turned out exactly how I had planned it. I just I haven't because there's there's extraneous variables and they're called humans. And other humans come into your life and you cannot control how they react and respond to whatever it is you're doing. So what I what I have chosen to do, it seems real chic right now in real trendy to kind of touch your finger, put it out, see which way the wind is blowing and say, OK, I'm going to go this direction. That's actually fading. That's a trend and that trend will go away. What is really always in style is consistency and bedrock foundation in a world where more and more people are trying to see which way the wind blows in a relationship, in a political season, in a business, in a job, in their family, they're trying to see which way the wind blows before they take a stand. It's actually really hard to find people who have built their lives upon something that it's the same it was ten years ago. Twenty years ago. Thirty years ago as it is today. And I'm not saying I've done a good job of this, but when I was a kid, I decided now to say what you want about faith and religion. I like the way Jesus lived his life, and I like the things that people had to say about him. So take the whole I believe that Jesus is my lord and savior out of the picture and just look at him as a really good guy, which he really doesn't give you that option. But let's just say that he did. I'm like, you know what? The way he lived his life. That's how I'm going to base all of my decisions. I'm going to have a foundation. I'm going to look at the scripture and I'm going to say this is how I'm going to make my choices. Now, the choices, the way I do things is going to change over time. But coming back and looking back, OK, what is my success? Because success is a moving target. So if my success is one hundred thousand, if reach one hundred thousand. I no longer have something to shoot for. It's just more, so than two hundred thousand. And you can never find true joy that way because success is always changing. Your, your foundation is always changing. Whereas if you choose something like me, I choose the Bible, I choose the life of Jesus. You may have chosen something else. You can constantly come back and say, how close am I living up to what it is I said I wanted to live up to, that is a true measure of success because Jesus already lived, Jesus already died, and I believe Jesus already resurrected. He's not changing, like that's there. So if I can say no matter how old I get, I come back to what I said was my ideal of what joy is like, what living should be like. I can measure up and say, yeah, I'm doing pretty good compared to what it is I said I wanted to live out to. That's where real joy for me is found and it gives me all the permission in the world to change my direction and career, change my direction in my business, change the way that I parent because it's no longer I want to have this many kids this way.

Bart
Right.

Dave
Am I being more like Jesus?

Bart
Yeah

Dave
Right? And so it gives me all the permission in the world now to go to the last part of your your question there, the idea of what was it that you said, art like marketing activity. Yeah. Creativity and marketing kind of coming together. You're absolutely right. Marketing is all about helping people take a step forward. The good marketing I'm not talking about shysters, but the good marketing people out there who say I genuinely believe what I have learned how to do or what I have produced will make somebody's life better. I no longer want somebody who wears glasses or who has bad vision to have bad vision. I believe their life will be better if they purchase these glasses with these lenses. I mean, anybody who wears glasses is going to tell you, yes, my life is better because my vision is correct.

Bart
Hundred percent.

Dave
One step further. Right, like like contact lenses and then corrective vision. Like you hear these tests of marketing isn't bad. It's helping people make a decision that's good for the right person at the right time, the right product for the right reasons. But everybody's different. And so if you're going to get your message out there, if you want your life to actually count for something, if you want your art to sell, if you want to get that promotion, you're going to have to learn to market. And by marketing, I mean you're going to have to learn how to reach the right person at the right time for them with the right product that they need and then sell it to them for the right reasons. Because if you can't figure out how to reach them where they're at, which is marketing, you can't figure out how to do that. You're never going to be able to change their life with your product. So you might think, OK, I'm going to sell a pair of glasses. You know what? I don't want to put any funny business. I don't want to try to make it sound better than it is. I'm just going to tell them this will make you see better. Well, you know what, that might be good enough for some people, but there's people out there who aren't going to take you at your word and they're not even going to give you a chance. So you've got to market to them because you need to get them interested so you can actually make a change. I'll give you one little example and then we can move on to wherever you want to go next

Bart
No worries

Dave
But I have one I have a couple of clients who this will be the case. They'll say we've we've got this widget and this is how we do things. This is why we do things. And this is this is how it plays out. Like we market this way and we promote this benefit. And this is why we do that. And so what they're doing so I'll say, well, what you're doing in effect right there is they'll say something like, it takes us about 12 months to close the door because we have to explain the entire model to them. Like, well, we need to shorten that window. We need to get that down to like two to six weeks, not 12 months. And so then I'll say, here's what we need to do this. It's for a nonprofit. This particular nonprofit has a budget allocated here that is discretionary. But you're selling to this budget right here, which is not discretionary. That's already accounted for. And so you're having to wait 12 months for them to make a decision and allocate budget here. So 12 months down the road, they can say, OK, now we have proof. So you need to shift and appeal to the discretionary budget. And they said, well, we want to tell you about the format and why we do that. And I tell them, look, here's the deal. You can have that all day long. But if you can't get them to give you the time of day to see your materials, to see what it is you're trying to promote, it doesn't matter how great the material is, they're going to put it off. If you believe that getting the materials in their hands right now makes a difference. And do you believe that they say, yeah, we believe that we need to make a shift. And so what I, I say we're going to shift who we're selling to. We're going to sell to this decision maker who has this discretionary budget. And then after they purchase for these reasons, we're going to tell them and look how you can use all of these products that you just purchased in other areas. And we are literally going to be paid by them to educate them on all the things that was going to take a lot of their time. So, yes, there is the marketing side, but there's also the creative side where you have to appeal to people not only in the artistic creativity, but the creativity of how are we going to reach them with our messaging, the creative messaging. So that's a long, drawn out answer. But hopefully it kind of keeps us on track, brings us where we were talking about where we are right now and where we're going.

Bart
So even even though we can stick with that a little bit more. What roadblocks, you know, they happen in our personal life, they happen in our business life, what, how do you overcome roadblocks? Because I feel like in a creative industry, in entrepreneurship and personal life, there are going to happen and sometimes are of your own volition and sometimes they are of external circumstances. Maybe it's the situation that you're in or the people that are above you, maybe in the industry or workplace or whatever. Let's talk about roadblocks. You know, I want to help people that that maybe feeling that they don't get their fair chance or fair do. And what do what should they be doing or what could they be doing to help mitigate that thought, that idea.

Dave
So there's two, you were talking about you know two sides of the same coin. That's kind of the way my thinking is about this topic, because on the first side of the coin is nobody is going to care about your outcomes and your circumstances more than you. And if somebody does care about your outcomes and your circumstances more than you, you're in big trouble because no matter how much they help you, you will never be able to step in and realize the full benefit of any type of assistance that comes your way. So first and foremost, when you're talking about making momentum in your career and your family, in your business with your ideas, you have to be the one who cares more than anybody else. Because if you're waiting around for somebody else to come over and make it kind of make it happen, it's not going to happen. And no politician coming into your house and putting food on your baby's table. Right. Ain't no boss coming into your home and just saying, I want to go ahead and give you enough money to pay off your medical bills or to grow the footprint of your house or to add on that addition. Like and even with family members, very few of us actually have family members who either have the resources or the mentality that we're going to come in and we're just going to take care of everything like that just doesn't happen. So if you are standing back waiting for somebody to give a rip more than you give a rip about yourself, like, I'm sorry, your life is going to be unfulfilling. But on the flipside of that, is if you're going to burst through roadblocks, you need other people. You cannot do it on your own. And the big distinction is that. You have to be the one who cares about the outcome so much and your end result so much that you're willing to then humble yourself to bring other people into the circle and hear what they have to say and get their perspective. That doesn't mean that they're going to do the work for you. That means you're going to get some very solid input, especially if they know your situation, very solid input of how to break through where you're at to where you want to be from people who have either been there, done that, or people who know you well enough to know how you get in your own way and then will challenge you to humble yourself and really grow in the particular area that's holding you back. Somebody that that you and I have listened to and have heard, Bart, is Gary Vaynerchuk. And I saw an advertisement said get get coached by Gary Vaynerchuk for one year. It's excuse me, it's a contest he's running get coached by Gary Vee for one year. And I thought that is an incredible that's an incredible prize to win. I don't think I'm ready to win that right now because I don't know if I would be able to because he's not going to do it for me.

Bart
No

Dave
he's going to kick my tail all day long. And if I come back the next week and I tell him I didn't make progress, that's the type of thing that he's just going to be like, I don't have time for you. And then he moves on because I don't care about my outcome more than he cares. He cares about it more than me at that point. And he's just going to be gone. I look yeah. He's peace out. I don't have time for you. If you're not going to put in the work, I sure as heck ain't going to put in the work. So when we're talking about breaking through those obstacles, it's all about first and foremost, taking accountability and wanting it more than anybody else wants it for you. And then once you've got that, you got that in your brain that's then surrounding yourself with people who are going to be brutally honest for you, with you, and want the success for you, not more than you want it for yourself, but who want to see you succeed. And we have our call that we do every single week Bart, nothing fires me up more than to hear you come back or hear any of our students come back and say, here's what I did. Here's how I'm succeeding and I want to celebrate that with you. But the thing is, is, you know, like, I don't do it for you. We don't do it for one another. We may partner up and do it with one another. But it all comes back down to your desire and ability to humble yourself, take the advice and apply it.

Bart
You mentioned something that's so key and this is what we're going to we're going to end. I wrote it down, but you really touched on it. And it's the people that you surround yourself with. You know, you have like we have our roundtable call you mentor myself and two other people. But you also, I'm assuming, talk with somebody else and find somebody who may be further ahead, either in life or in business or whatever marriage. And then that's also it's what I've discovered is I haven't even asked you this if it's true or not. But what I've discovered, if successful people never do it by themselves, they always have anybody who's truly successful has some type of counsel, adviser or somebody or at least somebody where they can offload a bunch of ideas onto an advocate of some sort because the road is long and it takes a lot of stamina to break through all these barriers. And you have to be headstrong enough and you need a sounding board of some sorts. And the type of people that you surround yourself will determine how far you can go, because those are the people who push you, who challenge you, who help you, who guide you. And I want to talk about in your own life, where have you seen those type of moments really help propel you into what you've what you've been able to see grow in your life, those types of things?

Dave
I've been super fortunate that there have been plenty of solid men who have wanted to invest in my life, who have taken an interest in me, who have wanted to spend time with me, and who have wanted to get to know me and earn the right to speak into the choices, decisions and directions that my life takes and goes. And that's a huge, huge factor in what I've been able to achieve, because I'll just give you Scott. OK, Scott was one of the first people who ever really cared about my professional development. I had plenty of personal development, but professional development was it was one of my bosses named Scott. And every week we would sit down and he would just let me start to talk and he wouldn't tell me what to do, but he would ask me questions and then he would propose solutions. And we did that every day for almost a year. And even after we parted ways and no longer worked at the same organization together, he still invested in my life. And a lot of the lessons I learned from him, I still apply today. OK, fast forward another mentor that I had was Jonathan. I'll give you one teeny tiny example. I like to explain myself, and I probably overexplain myself and in emails that can be very problematic because when you're just trying to get a quick back and forth, lots of words means lots of reading, means lots of times means lowered productivity. And so what I would do when Jonathan became my new boss is I would send him these messages and I'd get one word answers back. And it really would hurt my feelings because I feel like, did I do something wrong? Like he's not being relational with me. He would just say, yeah, sounds good. OK, do it. Sure. And it really frustrated me. So I talk to about it. He said, oh, I don't mean anything by that. He said, when you're working with people who are trying to manage other people, they're just trying to get through their email and keep things moving. He said, Once I get done with your email, I'm going to 15 other emails and trying to get through those as well and give other people answers. And so he really taught me a lot about what it is to work in a professional environment, not just professional development, but now professionally relating to other people in communication. And Jonathan was my boss for a little over a year. Then you forward on to Mark and Mark taught me all about managing interoffice conflict. Then you fast forward to, oh gosh, I've got so many. You fast forward to Gary Vaynerchuk who I don't know personally, but I listen to him every single day for a year to the point where no longer did I need to ask him any questions. I knew what he would say before it happened. Today, I have two executives that are on my leadership team and I consult with them for everything. I don't just go in and do something. We consult together. So, yes, you do have to have other people come in and invest and it means that you're going to have to open yourself up to criticism and critique. But that's where you can become great because your potential is here if you give everything that you've got. And you work as hard as you can, your success, your ability to create and achieve is here because that's that's your cap.

Bart
That's so good.

Dave
When you start introducing more people with more gifts, more perspective, more experience. All of a sudden, that cap is raised with more experiences, with more life lessons, with more perspective. And your cap just it blows off. And really anything at that point becomes possible. And so I am at the point right now where I am ready and I'm interviewing personal coaches for myself in business specifically. I've got marriage people who I who I call and I talk to and we have regular meetings. I have some business people who I do that, but I'm ready for a personal coach because I need to grow as a CEO, because I need to grow as a CEO, because the people underneath me now need me to grow as a CEO. Your kids need you to grow as a father. Your kids need you to grow as a mother. Your spouse needs you to grow as a spouse and so on and so forth. It goes and going to grow unless you bring somebody else in because your cap is here. And once you reach that, you ain't busting through it at all until you introduce other people into the process.

Bart
Whoooh I hope everybody got something out of this short but power packed episode. I'm super proud to have Dave on the show. Finally, it's a long time overdue. Dave, why don't you let people know where they can find you? I know you're a fellow Twitter Twitter person. I know Twitter. A lot of people feel that Twitter's dying. Twitter ain't going nowhere. That's the best social media platform, according to Bart. Anyway, Dave, tell people where they can find you man.

Dave
Yeah, if you want to know more about my agency, go to the blocksagency.com if you're interested in Campaign Donut because you are a content marketer and you want one platform to create, collaborate, publish and reuse content marketing campaigns, go to campaigndonut.com. But if you just want to be buddies, find me at Twitter @daveshrein. That's it.

Bart
All right, guys, this has been the More Life Podcast. Have a good one. Peace out.